Timing managed futures entries
September 8, 2008
Most investors pore over disclosure documents, interview managers, speak at length with Attain staff on our experience with the manager, what we’ve seen of their trading style, and so on to become comfortable with which managed futures program (or programs) they wish to trade.
But in spending so much time on the “Who to trade”, very few investors consider the “When to trade”. Which begs the question: is the “When to trade” just as important as the “Who or what to trade”? Can timing your entry to a CTA bring better performance than just starting with the CTA right away? And is this especially poignant for CTAs sitting a t new all time highs? Should you just jump into those, or is it better to wait for a pullback? There are a whole lot of questions, and not much literature or research out there on the effects of timing entries.
The rule of thumb amongst most managers when asked about timing the entry into their specific program is to just get in right away, as you may miss out on upside by trying to time the entry perfectly. And indeed, there is an old axiom in the stock market put forward by buy and hold type brokers who believe that you need to be invested in the market constantly, as just a few days of profits can make your whole year. And there are statistics to back this up, showing how portfolios underperform if missing out on the best days.
However, it is also tempting to think of timing an entry into a CTA just right. Getting into the Pere program in January after its 30% DD, and seeing gains of 140% plus after that. Getting into Dighton’s drawdown last April, then seeing gains of around 70% through the rest of the year. ACE, APA Modified, Clarke, and more all have similar stories. Past Performance is not necessarily indicative of future results, of course, and there are stories where the drawdowns just kept going.
But these opportunities can result in more total profit, as the investor earns not only the difference between the drawdown amount and back to even, they also earn any profits above and beyond the even mark as the program makes new equity highs. For more on investing in drawdowns, please view our old newsletter on the subject here: http://www.attaincapital.com/newsletters/242
But how realistic is it that you could get involved with one of these managers at the exact bottom of their drawdown? Not very. For one thing, the drawdowns can often be quick lived, not giving someone time to get the paperwork filled out, account funded, and so on. But even more difficult is knowing when that drawdown will be coming, and whether or not it is worth waiting for.
If the drawdown is worth waiting for is the big question when considering timing a CTA entry. You may be looking at a CTA like Dighton or Pere and realize that their nice returns come with quite a bit of volatility. And you may think that to avoid some of that volatility, you will look to get involved after the CTA has had a drawdown of such and such percent.
If you expect their worst drawdown to be 50% moving forward, set that as your line in the sand to cease trading the program, and then set a trigger to get involved when the CTA hits a 35% drawdown level – you have in effect moved the max DD for you to just 15%. (50-35). That makes one of these volatile CTAs much more attractive from a risk standpoint.
But again, what do we give up waiting for that trigger level? Consider the Pere Trading Group program thus far in 2008. Pere is volatile and not for everyone, as Attain and the manager are only too happy to tell you. Imagine a client who, knowing this and wishing to avoid some of that potential volatility and downside, decides in February to set a trigger level of a 35% drawdown to get started. Our imaginary client would still be waiting to get started, and approximately 140% in profits would have passed him or her by. In this case, it seems, it was not worth waiting for the drawdown, as the client in our example gave up over 140% in profits to save 35% in losses.
This led us to pull some numbers and do some testing on what levels make sense, if any, for trying to time an entry into a CTA. We set up our test by looking at the Clarke Capital Management Global Basic program, with its 12+ years of performance history. We can see easily how the overall program performed if an investor started as of Day 1 with the program, but it is more difficult
We split the program’s performance into 12 separate time periods, starting 12 months after the inception of trading (as you need some data on which to base future decisions). These different periods represented 12 different entry points into the Clarke program over the past 13 years, and we were able to calculate what the performance of each period would be if a hypothetical client began trading at the beginning of each period.
We then considered five different entry timing methods based off of end of month drawdown levels. These were as follows:
1. Past Max DD: start trading the program once a new max drawdown (DD) has been hit,
2. Avg DD: start trading the program once the DD is more than the average annual DD of the years preceding each time period (for the time period starting January 1999, this would be the average of the annual DD in 1996, ’97, and ’98).
3. ¼ Avg DD: start trading once the DD is more than 25% (1/4) of the Avg DD explained above.
4. ½ Avg DD: start trading once the DD is more than 50% of the Avg DD explained above.
5. ¾ Avg DD: start trading once the DD is more than 75% of the Avg DD explained above.
The tables and charts in the Chart of the Week section below show the summary statistics of our testing. In general, and as we would expect, the more stringent the rule for entering (such as waiting for a new Max DD), less of the total return was achieved, yet the DD was reduced significantly. As an example, if waiting for a new max DD which would eclipse the 29.4% DD hit in November 2002, clients would still be waiting, and while saving DDs of 20% on average, they would have missed 123% in profits. This is represented below as achieving roughly 52% of the total profit, while only suffering 50% of the DD experienced by those entering the program “normally” (meaning right away)
On the flip side, there were very promising results when a hypothetical investor waited for 25% of the Avg DD to get started. In this case, when averaging across the 12 time periods, the average total return was 103% (more) of the total return experienced by starting right away, while only experiencing 92% of the drawdown. That is the goal of timing, and an ideal scenario is achieving an equal amount or more of the profit (over 100% of the total ROR), while suffering less of the drawdown (below 100% of the max DD in that time period).
But what about some of the other levels, such as the /34 of the Avg DD timing. Doesn’t it look pretty good when you only participate in 79% of the DD, but still get nearly all the profit (96%). That may appeal to some more than getting more profit, as many have the goal of reducing risk as much as possible.
And indeed, while we can run statistics and theorize on what levels have performed best for timing - much about timing still does come down to personal preference.
For example, some clients who have made money with other advisors, and have some of the house’s money, so to speak, may be more inclined to start right away and not try to time the entry. With a cushion of profits, missed profits can often be more painful than entering at a bad time and suffering actual losses (probably because those are offset against actual gains).
A client just starting out, however, may have different priorities and feelings about actual losses versus missed profits (opportunity costs). And from what we see, most investors starting out are more comfortable sacrificing possible gains if it saves them from losses right out of the gate. There is just something about starting out on the right foot which lends itself to sticking with the investment through future poor times.
So, in the end, there does seem to be a case for timing entries into CTAs stemming from our real world experience, the data in our past newsletters on investing in DDs, and our testing for this article on Clarke’s Global Basic program. But , admittedly; this testing does not cover all CTA programs, and the type of CTA, their volatility, length of track record, and more all come into play. (For example, we wouldn’t recommend trying to time an option seller, as their make up calls for frequent winning months and rare but larger losing months.)
This means it comes down to your personal circumstances, CTA portfolio, and more.
If you want to guarantee you get the same total return as the program earns over the next x months/years, get in now. Just remember, that also means you will get 100% of any future drawdowns. While if you want some protection, but will be angry if you miss a really big move, consider setting your trigger at a smaller level such as 25% of the average past annual drawdowns. And finally, for those who really want to ratchet down the volatility and drawdowns, consider a more stringent timing such as waiting for a new max DD or using the average DD or 75% of the avg DD.
Want us to look at how timing has performed on a CTA you are interested in, please email us at invest@attaincapital.com or call 800.311.1145 and we’ll be happy to put a report together for you.
- Jeff Malec
IMPORTANT RISK DISCLOSURE
Futures based investments are often complex and can
carry the risk of substantial losses. They are intended for sophisticated investors and are not suitable for
everyone. The ability to withstand losses and to adhere to a particular trading program in spite of trading
losses are material points which can adversely affect investor returns.
Feature | Week In Review | Chart of the Week | Top 5 CTAs | Top 5 Systems |

Feature | Week In Review | Chart of the Week | Top 5 CTAs | Top 5 Systems |
***Overview***
The global economic slowdown was again the main fixture for commodity and index trading during the month of August, although stock market values did increase some on better than expected results on a per company basis which could be attributed to the rally in the U.S. Dollar. Most inflation/growth sensitive products continued the slide that began in July as the benchmark inflation protector A.K.A metals took the brunt of the pressure. Silver futures shed -23.60% due to most investors fleeing on abating inflation bias with the Gold following along losing -9.59%. The slowdown in emerging economies that have been strong consumers of industrials was also evident with Palladium -20.70% leading the way down, followed closely by Platinum -15.54%, and Copper shedding-7.12%.
Currency activity seemed to confirm the idea that the entire market sphere was starting to pay attention to the braking in the global economy. The U.S. Dollar +5.29% moved to levels not seen in a year on safe haven support at the expense of most foreign currencies. The British Pounds took the most heat -7.90% and the tone was reflected in the performance of other Europeans as the Euro shed -5.98% and the Swiss Franc lost -4.06%. The gains in the U.S Dollar also prompted a rally in interest rates as the 30-year bonds added +2.61% and the 10-year notes gained +1.82 as investors moved into dollar dominated safety despite the lower outright yields.
Despite a basically sideways trend since the middle of July Stock Indexes did find enough support from the dollar rally to end August on a higher note. Investors drawn to better yield potential despite the continued worries of the ongoing meltdown in mortgage back securities sparked the Dow Jones to a gain of 1.6%, with the S&P adding +1.3%, and the NASDAQ was +1.2%. In the small-cap sector the Russell +3.3% was again the best performer of the entire complex with Mid-Cap gaining +1.5% more in line with its larger cap relatives.
The energy sector lost more luster in August with the global fall in consumption due to slowing economies outweighing a military conflict in Russia and a hurricane hit in the U.S. This slowdown was magnified even further with reports of building stocks in most energy supplies especially in the Natural Gas. Natural Gas -13.99% led the sector down, with Heating Oil shedding -8.73%, Crude -7.37%, and RBOB -4.46%
***CTAs***
August was a good month for most managers across all CTA sectors (agriculture, multi-market trend following, options) as less volatile market conditions allowed for better trading opportunities. The overall top performing manager across was Clarke Capital Management who posted returns of +30.08% est in the Global Basic program and +14.01% est in the Global Magnum program. Both programs benefited from a rallying US Dollar and were able to catch the bulk of the sell off in the FX markets after entering short in the Euro and Pound. Congrats to Clarke on a great month!
Other multi-market mangers who benefited from the rallying Dollar included Long Term Trading Navigator with returns of +3.46% est, Optimus Capital +1.83% est, Robinson-Langley at +1.44% est, and the Attain Portfolio Advisors Strategic Diversification Program at +0.24% est.
Elsewhere Dighton USA was up +0.54%, Hoffman Asset finished August at +0.10% est, Attain Portfolio Advisors Modified was down -1.24% est, DMH lost -1.24%S est as well while Northside Trading lost -1.91% est.
Option sellers had a strong month across the board with most programs finishing in the black. The top performing option program was Ascendant Strategic 1 with estimated returns of +5.69%. This was another much needed profitable month for Ascendant as the manager continues to try and pull the program out of drawdown. Next in line was LJM Partners who had another good month with estimated returns of +4.36%. Other notable profitable option strategies in August include Zephyr Moderate at 3.77% est, Zephyr Aggressive +2.62% est, Summa Capital +2.43% est, ACE SIPC +1.82% est, Rathiel +1.30% est, Cervino Diversified 2x +1.48% est, Cervino Diversified +0.75% est, Zenith Diversified +1.05% est, Zenith Index +0.73% est, Crescent Bay PSI +1.75% est, and Crescent Bay BVP +0.75%.
Option Sellers in the red included FCI -1.24% est, Cervino Diversifed Commodities -1.56% est and Diamond Capital -0.10% est.
Most Agriculture programs posted profitable numbers as well with NDX Shadrach gaining +5.21% est, NDX Abedengo +2.52% est, Livestock CTA +4.12% and Chicago Capital +0.95% est all having nice months. Rosetta, unfortunately, was not able to keep pace and lost -1.50% est.
Finally short term index trader Pere Trading Group, LLC continued to stay ultra hot with returns of +25.29% in August.
***Trading Systems***
August was a relatively slow month compared to months leading up to it this year with limited trading activity. Volatility still remains significantly higher than levels of 2006-2007 but most trading systems underperformed in August because of several sharp intraday reversals in stocks and bonds.
Starting with the day trading systems, BounceMOC eMD was the top performer +$880 on a pair of trades. BetaCon 4/1 ESX was also able to stay above water +150€ for the month. Rayo Plus Dax was not as fortunate -912.50€ for the month. Waugh eRL and Compass SP also underperformed their peers -$1,722 and -$5,454.92 for the month of August.
Moving on the swing trading programs, Bounce eMD capitalized on two trades for +$1,005 just higher than its day trading counterpart. Signum EBL reached its profit objective on 1 of 2 long positions for a gain of +2609€ and is still holding long on the remaining contract. Signum TY continues to hold 2 contracts and just missed reaching its profit objective on the 1st contract. The only other activity for Signum TY was rolling the contract from September to December. Mesa Notes lost -$627.50 on a closed trade basis in addition to rolling from Sept to Dec as well. The system reversed its position from short to long late in the month and continues to hold long heading into September.
The Tzar programs had mixed results in August. Tzar ES lost -$1,772.50 on a closed trade basis, Tzar NQ was +$525.01 and Tzar eRL held short for the duration of the month. Ultramini ES was fairly active for the month but finished down -$1,537.50.
In long term trading, the long US Dollar/short foreign currency was the bread and butter trade for most trend followers. Most programs also jumped in long in foreign and domestic bonds of all durations in addition to remaining short in metals and energies from the prior month.
IMPORTANT RISK DISCLOSURE
Futures based investments are often complex and can
carry the risk of substantial losses. They are intended for sophisticated investors and are not suitable for
everyone. The ability to withstand losses and to adhere to a particular trading program in spite of trading
losses are material points which can adversely affect investor returns.
Feature | Week In Review | Chart of the Week | Top 5 CTAs | Top 5 Systems |
Past Performance is Not Necessarily Indicative of Future Results.
| Rank | Program Name | 12 month Return | 12 month Drawdown | Min Investment (k) |
| 1 | Pere Trading Group, LLC Pere Trading Program | 279.09% | 29.98% | $100 |
| 2 | James H. Jones Diversified Portfolio | 108.54% | 11.73% | $250 |
| 3 | Clarke Capital Management, Inc. Global Basic | 129.49% | 12.34% | $50 |
| 4 | Clarke Capital Management, Inc. Millennium | 110.79% | 16.84% | $1,000 |
| 5 | Parrot Trading Partners, LLC | 93.98% | 11.48% | $100 |
Figures listed are as of 9/08/2008.
IMPORTANT RISK DISCLOSURE
The rankings above are the top ranked CTAs offered at Attain over the past 12 months using a risk adjusted ratio which equals the period return divided by the period DD.
Investments in CTAs can be subject to substantial charges for management and advisory fees. The % returns in the CTA table above include all such fees, but it may be necessary for those accounts that are subject to these charges to make substantial trading profits in the future to avoid depletion or exhaustion of their assets.
The regulations of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) require that prospective clients of a CTA receive a disclosure document when they are solicited to enter into an agreement whereby the CTA will direct or guide the client's commodity interest trading and that certain risk factors be highlighted. The disclosure document contains a complete description of the principal risk factors and each fee to be charged to your account by the Commodity Trading Advisor (CTA). This document is readily accessible at this site using the Disclosure Document link at the Attain website.
Feature | Week In Review | Chart of the Week | Top 5 CTAs | Top 5 Systems |
Hypothetical Model Accounts using Computer Generated and Actual Client Fills.
| Rank | System Name | 90 Day Return | Return in Dollars | 90 Day Drawdown | DD in Dollars | Min Investment (k) |
| 1 | Bounce ERL Swing | 16.08% | $1,608.00 | 0.76% | $76.00 | $10 |
| 2 | Break MFX | 57.65% | $11,529.81 | 16.38% | $3,276.80 | $20 |
| 3 | ATB TrendyBalance DAX v3 | 92.83% | $14,853.57 | 26.61% | $4,257.90 | $16 |
| 4 | Bounce ERL | 11.83% | $1,182.70 | 3.55% | $355.06 | $10 |
| 5 | ATB TrendyBalance DAX v2 | 109.65% | $13,706.56 | 33.32% | $4,164.96 | $13 |
Figures listed are as of 9/08/2008.
IMPORTANT RISK DISCLOSURE
The rankings above are the top ranked Trading Systems offered at Attain over the past 90 days using a risk adjusted ratio which equals the period return divided by the period DD.
The % returns in the trading system table above are hypothetical in that they represent returns in a model account. The model account rises or falls by the exact single contract profit and loss achieved by clients trading actual money pursuant to the listed system's trading signals on the appropriate dates, or if no actual client profit or loss available - by the hypothetical single contract profit and loss of trades generated by the system's trading signals over the test period. The hypothetical model account begins with the initial capital level listed, and is reset to that amount each month. The % returns reflect inclusion of commissions, fees, and the cost of the system. Commission and fee cost = # of monthly trades * $50.00 ($30 for eminis). The monthly cost of the system is subtracted from the net profit/loss prior to calculating the % return. For systems with one time purchase costs, the monthly cost is calculated by dividing the purchase cost by the number of months in the reporting period.
HYPOTHETICAL PERFORMANCE RESULTS HAVE MANY INHERENT LIMITATIONS, SOME OF WHICH ARE DESCRIBED BELOW. NO REPRESENTATION IS BEING MADE THAT ANY ACCOUNT WILL OR IS LIKELY TO ACHIEVE PROFITS OR LOSSES SIMILAR TO THOSE SHOWN; IN FACT, THERE ARE FREQUENTLY SHARP DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HYPOTHETICAL PERFORMANCE RESULTS AND THE ACTUAL RESULTS SUBSEQUENTLY ACHIEVED BY ANY PARTICULAR TRADING PROGRAM. ONE OF THE LIMITATIONS OF HYPOTHETICAL PERFORMANCE RESULTS IS THAT THEY ARE GENERALLY PREPARED WITH THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT. IN ADDITION, HYPOTHETICAL TRADING DOES NOT INVOLVE FINANCIAL RISK, AND NO HYPOTHETICAL TRADING RECORD CAN COMPLETELY ACCOUNT FOR THE IMPACT OF FINANCIAL RISK OF ACTUAL TRADING. FOR EXAMPLE, THE ABILITY TO WITHSTAND LOSSES OR TO ADHERE TO A PARTICULAR TRADING PROGRAM IN SPITE OF TRADING LOSSES ARE MATERIAL POINTS WHICH CAN ALSO ADVERSELY AFFECT ACTUAL TRADING RESULTS. THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER FACTORS RELATED TO THE MARKETS IN GENERAL OR TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ANY SPECIFIC TRADING PROGRAM WHICH CANNOT BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE PREPARATION OF HYPOTHETICAL PERFORMANCE RESULTS AND ALL WHICH CAN ADVERSELY AFFECT TRADING RESULTS.
THESE PERFORMANCE TABLES AND RESULTS ARE HYPOTHETICAL IN NATURE AND DO NOT REPRESENT TRADING IN ACTUAL ACCOUNTS.